Curse

IronSheik · Aug 07, 2009, 03:39 PM // 15:39

Lol @ Masochism

Lol @ Good Derv Buffs, Nevermind

Lol @ Pets still can't target

Lol @ Mel Shot

Lol @ PvE Monk Buffs, SoL Needed that shorter recharge, and Selfless needed to be upkeepable

Only thing that gave me a smile was FIXING SoS

Xerum · Aug 07, 2009, 04:02 PM // 16:02

The PvP update is a complete joke. I don't know what's worse:
the December update with random 'dartboard' buffs which is so ridiculous they continue to work on nerfing it months after and still don't have any clue how to.
OR
this update which looks like a 'noob' with no clue what's going on did.

I rarely use the term 'noob' but it really summarizes what this update is. It looks to me like whoever is doing the update ignore competent players' suggestions, don't observe any matches, and muck around in awful arenas/guilds if play at all. If there is going to be another 'major PvP love' update later this month I hope it's not another fookup like December's. Then again, why not make it like that and have work for another 6 months. Brilliant!

I like the message this update has for GW PvE. It's saying, PvE doesn't freakin' matter so who cares how overly over-buffed things are. Seriously, it's already easy and they're making it much more easier at each go? Makes sense. Next update: [PvE] Clone skill.

It'll be better if they have NPCs not get stuck on things or fix whatever bugs of non-loading mobs that affect gameplay.

snaek · Aug 07, 2009, 04:45 PM // 16:45

why are people mad at melandru's shot being nerfed for pve? it was already a horrible elite to use for pve in the first place. while the nerf for pvp wasn't totally needed compared to other imba skills, imo it was still a good one.

i'm surprised that no one has mentioned how this is really july's delayed monthly skill balance. this skill balance was 2 months worth of work. while a lot of the choices are questionable, i don't think anything has been ridiculously broken compared to previous updates. and while obviously pve-oriented, its fairly decent for what it is. however, i wish they would explain where they are trying to go with the dervish--they still seem to serve no real purpose except to be an annoyance.

and heres my choice for the 5 best skills (not best balanced mind you, best "overpoweredness" excluding pve-only changes):
1. winter's embrace
2. shielding hands
3. sand shards
4. wastrel's demise
5. black mantis thrust

and my top 5 "still useless" skills go to (surprisingly, people will still use em):
1. elemental flame
2. black lotus strike
3. aura slicer
4. sharpen daggers
5. confusing images

Xyon the Greatest · Aug 07, 2009, 05:39 PM // 17:39

PvE got crazy overpowered buffs, making my runnin experience twice as easy... :P

Yichi · Aug 07, 2009, 06:04 PM // 18:04

Wow, you brought back my boon prot (i love you) and made it to where SoL never leaves my pve monk bar now.

now if you can fix the other 99% of problems that are still out there...

kostolomac · Aug 07, 2009, 06:06 PM // 18:06

I might even start the game...

Still Number One · Aug 07, 2009, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Slippery Ground Warrior is fun.

Seef II · Aug 07, 2009, 06:58 PM // 18:58

Doesn't help the dervish situation. Aura Slicer yay, but it's still got a lousy recharge.
As for pvp... gah, more assassin annoyances.

Toxic OnyX · Aug 07, 2009, 07:21 PM // 19:21

they only good thing was no yeti noise (more to sto pppl crying about it than any real use)

re-nerfed para, buffed sins, buffed discordway lol (like it needed it), boon prot is back, didn't nerf SF, didn't nerf MB ele

basically /fail in every section

reaper with no name · Aug 07, 2009, 07:38 PM // 19:38

And the pet buffs. You forgot those. That was also win.

Lyphen · Aug 07, 2009, 08:12 PM // 20:12

Bawwww, my poor orders dervish hero is destroyed with a useless 15e armor stance?

Arkantos · Aug 07, 2009, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name

And the pet buffs. You forgot those. That was also win.

The problem is, pet AI is still terrible, and as long as it is, pets aren't going to be amazing.

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Bawwww, my poor orders dervish hero is destroyed with a useless 15e armor stance?

Funny thing. ANet decide to nerf orders necros and dervs, but not anything else. Looks like an orders hero is more broken than a shadow form assassin!

Legion Magnus · Aug 07, 2009, 08:20 PM // 20:20

No moar Yeti sounds! Rawr!!!

My sympathies to most who spent gold to collect vocal tonics, but some criminally abused them and ruined it for everyone. ANet took waaay too long to fix that which never should have been, but my faith has been restored, to some small degree. I still think a toggle to disable sounds for those who did not want to hear them would have been a good compromise, but such is life.

Racthoh · Aug 07, 2009, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Funny thing. ANet decide to nerf orders necros and dervs, but not anything else. Looks like an orders hero is more broken than a shadow form assassin!

It's not so much that they killed that build (okay, for me it is personally) as it is they just added more problems to PvP as well. Apparently they're aware of the E/D template, afterall Dwayna's Touch, one of the skills present on the problematic template, took a recharge hit with this update. This new Vow of Piety is a suitable candidate for that bar, however it can be worked in, giving the E/D +24 armor and easy access to the Sentry's Insignia. You now have a ranged 102 AL (60 + 24 + 10 + 8) split character with infinite energy and decent self healing capabilities.

IlikeGW · Aug 07, 2009, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name

And the pet buffs. You forgot those. That was also win.

I like how they did that after they sell the pet unlock pack. What's next? PVE buffs when you buy a makeover?

M'Aiq The Liar · Aug 07, 2009, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by Xerum

I rarely use the term 'noob' but it really summarizes what this update is. It looks to me like whoever is doing the update ignore competent players' suggestions, don't observe any matches, and muck around in awful arenas/guilds if play at all.

That's not true at all. They didn't do anything about any of the problems in the lower-end arenas either. No nerf of infinite-energy fire eles, RoJ, or N/A bombers. And the Mine Cleaners in FA still use PvE spirits. If anything, they're just compounding the problems with stupid-ass turbobuffs like Winter's Embrace.

Lyphen · Aug 07, 2009, 09:11 PM // 21:11

On a sidenote, is there any way to change Hero pet names?

Rusty Deth · Aug 07, 2009, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by Garreth MacLeod

They can always start back up. Especially with those buffs.

I still do, but yeah be sweet if they came back. It can pretty much do anything in that game ( well almost )

AmbientMelody · Aug 07, 2009, 09:26 PM // 21:26

Incredible update ... now, once they make Invoke Lightning more worthwhile in pve (more targets, faster recharge, whatever?), make earth magic a valid offensive magic in pve (25% armour penetration for 'quake' skills?) I might actually reconsider going back to this game to play casual ... well, we shall see.

Atm I only hope that new boosted skills for Assa and Derv don't end up being overpowered in hands of other classes (mainly shadow and earth magic ... and perhaps wind prayers)

Coney · Aug 07, 2009, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by the Puppeteer

Invoke Lightning - it's still bad ><

I agree, it shouldn't be an elite - or it should affect more than 3 targets max.

I actually used to use [lava arrows] quite a bit, even with it's 1/2 range. Now, it seems essentially as powerful as [invoke lightning], with the added bonus of taking half as long to cast, and potentially doing 2-2.5 times more damage over 10/12 second interval...

15 attribute point comparison using 10 mana:
[invoke lightning] 100 damage+25% pene over 12 seconds, 3 targets max (near), 2 sec cast, possible exhaustion
[lava arrows] 130 damage over 6 seconds, 3 targets max (near), 1 sec cast

It seems [invoke lightning] should either have 1 sec cast time, no exhaustion, 5 sec recharge, or full AOE (near).

Same sort of argument could be made for [chain lightning] (15 extra damage/45 max for the elite [invoke lightning] version seems piddly as well)...

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Originally Posted by PowerRAV

PWWWEEEEEEEAAAAAAASSSSSSSEEEEEEEEE Bring Tonic Sounds Back!!!!!~~~!!~!~!!~!!!

I is sad until they are back or an option to enable them is added. Why remove content thats just counter productive. =\

Is this guy a totally clueless brain donor? He posted this (more-or-less) exact tripe twice in this thread (page 7 and 8). Yeah right, give you an option to turn griefing back on - OK!